Read It With Whiskey

R.S. Williams, Kingdom of Lies

May 10, 2022 Laura Juntunen Episode 46
Read It With Whiskey
R.S. Williams, Kingdom of Lies
Show Notes Transcript

Thank you so much for tuning in with the Read It With Whiskey podcast! In this episode, we are speaking with R.S. Williams, author of Kingdom of Lies.

In this interview, Rhianne and I chat about my favorite scene within the book, the "big bad" of the story, and how chapter headings can be a real pain. We dive into characters and how some gender-bending happened after the beta readers had eyes on the manuscript. And, of course, we talked about what's coming next for Rhianne!

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Laura Juntunen:

Hello, everyone, and welcome to read it with whiskey. How're you doing today?

R.S. Williams:

I am good. Thank you so much for having me.

Laura Juntunen:

I'm so excited to talk to you. I absolutely loved your book, realize, and I'm so excited to talk about it and talk about what's coming up next in your author career. But first of all, let's just tell our listeners, why did you decide that you wanted to be a writer? Um,

R.S. Williams:

well, I've always enjoyed reading books. Like from a really young age, I've always read books, I even skipped school once just to so I could finish reading about college like, Mom, I'm sick, I wasn't sick, I just wanted to finish. And when I was younger, I wrote like poems and stuff. And I've kind of grown out of that as I've gotten older, because that doesn't really interest me anymore. And in, in our schools in the UK, you kind of get to write a poem, and then they get translated into like a little book. So that was kind of like my first published thing. When I was a teenager, I thought I would be, you know, the next Taylor Swift. And I started to write songs that did not get me anywhere. But it was fun. And then when I got to college, I was just like, You know what, let's just I love reading I love creating stories, I you know, usually go to bed daydreaming some ridiculous story, like I'm on a dragon or something. Let's just give it you know, let's give it a go and see what happens. And that's, that's how I got into writing.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, that's so exciting. And I feel like I've had a lot of people recently on the show, who have either been really into poetry or songwriting. And that's one of the ways that they go into writing. So it's interesting that you're one of those people too, because I think maybe two or three of the recent interviews I've done have had music or poetry in their history, which is just kind of a cool tie in. But so much fun. So you've been writing for quite a while now. So what do you think is your favorite part about being a writer being an author?

R.S. Williams:

Ah, well, I have to. So I really love the outlining process, because it's the stage where I can get ridiculously excited, you know, I get to be creative, I can start at the end. Because like, when I write my story, it's like, when I actually go in depth, I write linearly, so I can't like jump around. But in the outlines, I do and I'm like, Oh, my God, this can happen at the end. This can happen. And I just, I become like a little kid in a candy shop. I'm like, yeah. And then obviously, the biggest thing for me is to be able to just hold it in my hand and be like, I made this was all me.

Laura Juntunen:

I love that. How did you feel when you had kingdom of lies the first time in your hands.

R.S. Williams:

Um, it was a bit of a surreal moment, because I came up with the story in must have been 2015. I was on the first holiday with my boyfriend. Now husband, we were impressed to ensure we were sat on a sun lounger by the pool. And I was just like, saying, I've got this idea. And when I wrote it down, it came to three stories. And I was like, Holy hell, I've just made a trilogy. And yeah, so to finally hold it in my hands last year in 2021. I was just like, oh my god, I finally done it.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, so exciting. And now you get to do it a couple more times as those other books come out. Yes.

R.S. Williams:

Yes. Return to the dragons will hopefully be out September, October time. I haven't quite set a date yet. But hopefully, September, October.

Laura Juntunen:

Ah, so exciting. And you actually just touched on it a little bit with outlining it sounds like you Well, I mean, I follow you on Instagram, and you are writing every single day. I'm blown away with how consistent you are. And so it sounds like you've kind of developed like a routine. So tell us a little bit about that of that outlining Potter plotter versus pantser. All that.

R.S. Williams:

So when I wrote my first book, I pants, the whole thing. Pants, the whole thing. And I had to get a developmental editor because there were so many plot holes that I just couldn't keep up with what was going on. And then when I did kind of have like, it was kind of, kind of in the middle, I kind of had an idea of what I wanted. I had some bullet points written down and then I just kind of went in and did that. But the second and the third one I did outline properly. And it just made it so much easier because then I can be like, What the hell happened in chapter 25 in doing the revised and I just opened my script and I go oh, yeah, that's what happened. Fabulous. Now we're not you know, bringing a character back to life that died two chapters ago. So yeah, I've definitely transitioned into being a plotter because for me I still go off on tangents. Like if if I'm in the middle of a scene and my character decides they want to go through the back door rather than the front door. We go on a little adventure, but I know that that's where I've got to get them to and how they get there is up to them.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, characters taking over. I think That's one of the reasons why I can't be a plotter is because every time I'm writing, my characters are like, yeah, you want us to do all that, but we're just gonna go this way instead. And so I'm like, Alright, characters, you can take control, take the wheel. And I totally relate to what you're saying with your first book, because I passed my first book. And I knew it would be well, I wrote it originally to be like, maybe a standalone. But then after it was done, I was like, yeah, it can't be a standalone because there are plot holes. And so now, I've done similar to you where, after I've written now I write the outline. So I can go back and make sure I don't realize somebody who I killed off. So it's interesting how writing evolves over time. So what do you think is like, the number one tip that you would have? For like a new writer going into writing a book?

R.S. Williams:

Try everything? Yeah, try everything. Try pantsing. Try plotting, try the three act structure, the hero's journey, just try everything. Because what works for me won't work for you. And I find it really interesting when I talk to some of my writing friends. And they're like, Yeah, I love save the cat. And it's amazing. And I'm like, I hate it. I don't like it at all.

Laura Juntunen:

That's funny, I was actually thinking about saving the cat after I asked that question. And I was like, I wonder if she's read it, because I haven't read it. I've heard so many things. But I've also read other books about plotting and outlining. And I'm like, I read them, but I don't actually use any of the content. So I think that's where it falls apart for me. Yeah, that is great.

R.S. Williams:

It really helps you understand, like, the dark moments that need to be in the story. Yeah. And but for me, I just prefer the structure of a three act structure, because it just works in my head.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, for sure. So speaking of writing, and publishing and all that you are self published writer. Were you always going down that route? Or did you think about doing traditional publishing at all? Um,

R.S. Williams:

I did think about traditional publishing. But the more I researched it, the more I was like, well, they don't let you do much of what you want to have to do what they want. And I'm like, but I want to pick my cover. And I want to pick how prettier looks inside. So there's just no point. I did query a few people with Kingdom of lies. Most people wrote back and was like, This is great, but it's not what we need right now. And I was like, Okay, fine. And in the end, I was like, You know what, I'm just gonna, I finished it. I've edited it. I'm gonna treat myself and get the cover. And then once I got the cover, I was like, nope, self publishing all the way.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, that's definitely a theme in the podcast that, that pressure to do what they want. And you're like, No, this is my story. I want to keep to it. And we've been skirting around the topic a little bit. So let's dive into kingdom of lies. What is this book about tell our listeners.

R.S. Williams:

So in a nutshell, it is about a forgotten prince who is returned to his homeland. He becomes a bodyguard to the current Princess until assassins calm and unearth the secrets of his past. So exciting.

Laura Juntunen:

I think that's like the most concise way an author has ever described their book it was so like, onpoint. It's like an elevator pitch. That was beautiful. There are some authors who are come on here. And they're like, well, this kind of happens. But then this happens. I'm one of those people. So I'm not making fun of them. I'm just relating really hard to them. So good job on the the great summary. And so what what inspired this story, where did it come from?

R.S. Williams:

So I was on the NaNoWriMo forums. And I was in the adopter plot section because I was trying to find just like a scene for the story that I was writing. And I saw this plot that was about a character it was a female in the adopter plot who becomes a bodyguard and then Assassin's COVID I was like, Oh, I really liked this maybe I can like flip it on its end gender, bend it a little bit and then it just kind of grew and ended up as three stories. Now it's coming to life.

Laura Juntunen:

did when you were writing that the first book did anything change significantly? Or is everything pretty close to how it was originally when you were inspired?

R.S. Williams:

The first book everything is pretty close to when it was inspired. The third book changed a lot because kind of a spoiler I decided to cut off a lot of characters.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, no.

R.S. Williams:

One of them I still cry when I read the scene like I was editing it the other day.

Laura Juntunen:

But sometimes you need to kill off the characters. I know. I'm writing book three in my series right now and I'm deciding how to end it because I don't want to end it on a note where it could continue on if I decide one day. I'm like, No, I want this series to be done. I can move forward. And I'm like who can I kill it

R.S. Williams:

Uh, well, I was thinking about all of the characters that I had. And I was like, like, Where does this story end? And I was like, this character doesn't have an end, like, oh, no, that means they're going to die. And then I had to think of a way for them to die that would be meaningful for the story. So it's near the end of Book Three, it's during a big battle. And it also has a nod to something that happens in book one as well. So Oh, tearing up just thinking about oh, no, no.

Laura Juntunen:

I love when books have like little tie ins to like the first book ties into something. And the third, we don't realize it until you get to the third book. Is that part of your outlining process to kind of put those little nuggets throughout the series?

R.S. Williams:

Yes, yeah. So I'm currently writing the first book in a new series. But I've already written the novellas. And as I'm writing and like changing little things, I go back and I'm like, Okay, I need to edit this so that it matches. But yeah, no, I do like having having little easter eggs in books up so that seasoned readers can read it and go, Oh, my God, I remember this.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, that's so much fun. I love being the reader when that's happening. But I love being the writer even more when I can put those in for the reader later on. Yeah. And it's just like a little secret that we hold until the reader picks up on it. So super fun. Okay, so this story, I mean, you you gave a great little summary there. But let's dive in a little bit deeper. So who's our main character tell us a little bit more about him.

R.S. Williams:

So his name is Elijah. He, he's, you know, just like a typical teenage boy, he is living in like this beautiful desert area of the world that he lives in. And he's ridiculously focused. So him and his uncle have a forge. And they also have some stables and he is in love with horses, like he wants to enter into the annual race, because you can win loads of money and you can, like turn around, and basically, you become famous world. And he's like, I want to do it. And yeah, he's just a typical typical boy until someone from his uncle's past comes back. And it's like, yeah, you need to get back over there. Otherwise, all hell's gonna break loose.

Laura Juntunen:

And then it's, it's hard, because he doesn't really know what's going on for a lot of the a lot of the beginning of the book he has, he's kind of confused. And obviously, there's a series so you know that he's important to the world.

R.S. Williams:

Yeah. And so when I, when I originally wrote it, I tried to keep who he was a secret. But I just found it worked a lot better if everybody but him knew who he was.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, I liked that throughout the book, at least in the, in the beginning, the beginning in the middle of the middle. He He's like running around, and you can tell people know who he is. And they're like, oh, nice to meet you. Am I meeting you, you know, and so as a reader, you can kind of pick up on those cues. And it's exciting as you go through. We're not going to talk spoilers, but it's exciting to go through and see how he evolves and gets to learn a little bit more about himself as the story progresses. Yeah, for sure. So we're not going to dive into all the characters, because there's a lot of characters, I don't know how you keep track of all of them. Actually, let's talk about that really quick. Why did you decide to put so many characters in here? And yeah, how did you keep track of them?

R.S. Williams:

Um, to answer the first question, I don't know why I decided to put so many characters in. She wants to the second one, I just have a list. I have a list of everybody's names, that basic description so that I don't get confused with like hair and eye color, and then who they are related to. But funs fun story. So I actually changed two characters. And I added in an additional one after my beaters, my beta readers went through the book. Because one of my beta readers was like, why is everyone a man? Well, so? I don't know. I'm gonna change on to a woman. Oh, yeah.

Laura Juntunen:

I was gonna say isn't Gianna

R.S. Williams:

Gianna was actually a boy. Now she is a badass woman, and I think it works so much better. And then Maven actually didn't exist until I was like, Oh, I'm gonna rewrite it. I'm gonna change this character because they've said this. And I was like, actually, it would work so much better for Elijah. If, like, his cousin was like, Hey, I know you and he's like, who are you?

Laura Juntunen:

Ah, that's interesting, because I feel like she has such a like a big part in the story. Like obviously they meet each other and then as it progresses, so that's interesting that she didn't even exist.

R.S. Williams:

Oh, yeah, she didn't exist. Well, she was she She didn't exist in the way she is now. Okay. Originally Jackson had a son and he was just kind of like a side character who didn't really do much. And I was like, Well, if you don't really do much, I don't need you. Right. Right. And then I was like, we need more women. So I'm just gonna make you a girl and make you more involved. And it it just it just all fitted together. Then I was like, Oh, yes,

Laura Juntunen:

yeah, for sure. And I like that she has a role with the princess too, because then it kind of ties in and it connects all the characters really flawlessly. Oh, interesting. Oh, I love hearing back stories like this so much fun. And then I always ask authors who their favorite character is. And we already mentioned my favorite character, Gianna, even though she's not like one of the main Well, she is like one of the main characters, but she doesn't have too many of those roles where it's like, front and center. I liked her supporting character role within the story. And I just like her personality and her relationship with the other people in their little crew. So who's your favorite character of the book besides the main character?

R.S. Williams:

Um, well, mine would be Gianna. I also really liked Levine. And I have to say, Leon. Just makes me laugh. Every time I write him in a scene. I'm like, Oh, you're sarcastic man. I love you.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, he's fun, too. I like all of them. Gianna, Sahab? Is that how you set the hobby at the hub? And then Leon? Yeah, I like that little dynamic. And it just makes me happy that Elijah has friends. And he even mentioned it to being able to have like a little community of people where he can like trust and support. Oh, so much fun. So characters are gray. But one of the characters, this scene, you actually just made a Tiktok slash Instagram real about this scene in the story where Elijah meets the princess for the first time. Yeah. And it's my favorite scene of the book, I think back about all the time. I'm just like, oh, Elijah. So tell our listeners, it's not really a spoiler because it is in the beginning of the book. But tell us tell us about that scene

R.S. Williams:

a little bit. So I have to say this was one of the most fun scenes I've ever written. I think this was the most like explorative scene that I've done, like in the beginning of my writing, because it was one that was in the original first first draft. And then I was just like, sure it'd be really funny is if he meets the princess and returns that he has like this really cool high up to do and it's just like, What are you doing roaming the halls, scantily clad. I should tell you all for them. The next day, he obviously meets or and he's like, Oh my god, what have I done? Oh,

Laura Juntunen:

it was just so funny. And he's like, Oh, you're looking for a bed to go and warm up in and I was like, oh yeah. Oh, it's Oh, it's just so great. I love that scene. Think about it all the time. When you made that tick tock video. I was like, I have to bring this up in the interview is so funny. Oh, I love it. Okay, so characters. We've kind of talked about as many as I want to without giving up spoilers or anything like that. But we do have to mention one. Not a specific character but a set of people the agents of Cyran. Is that how you say it?

R.S. Williams:

I say it Chiron but Cyran. Okay, yeah.

Laura Juntunen:

Agents of Cyran, who are these people? Why are they important?

R.S. Williams:

Without spoilers. So they work for the big bad. He the big bad basically, was given a foretelling by an A witch who basically is kind of like a palm reader, she'll like read your parliament and tell your future. And she I can, if you read the prequel, you'll read this scene that it comes out. It's free if you sign up to my newsletter. But basically, she she reads his poem. And then he, the, the Witch kind of like gets taken over by like this God. And this God is like, yeah, you can have all of the power that you want, but you have to lose the woman that you love, and possibly kill a child. So they'll be bad, like, cool, let's do it. Yeah, so Elijah is this child. But at the time, there was many people who it could have been. So he the big bad just decided to try and eliminate them all as you do. And he basically needs to get rid of Elijah so that he can take Elijah's power and then ascend to being a God Himself. And all of the agents of Cyran of the people that like basically follow him and that he's brainwashed into believing that he's going to be this God and shower them with everything that they want.

Laura Juntunen:

Hmm, I'm excited to see how it evolves within the series because this book, it touches on it, obviously, within the book, but I feel like there's going to be more and so I'm excited to see where it goes. And and that's where we'll leave that because I don't want to talk anymore spoilers. Because we're like on the on the brink, we're on the brink of going over. So all right. So you like I said earlier, you're one of the most consistent writers that I follow on Instagram. And like every morning, I watch your stories as I'm scrolling. And I'm just like, how did you write another 500 words, and you just had a baby lady? Like? How? So tell me like a little bit of that, like the behind the scenes, how do you keep so consistent as a

R.S. Williams:

writer, so I have to give massive kudos to my husband. Basically, I get up ridiculously early. So my alarm goes off at 5am. And then I write from 530 to 630. And if if she wakes up or anything happens with the baby, he goes and deals with it so that my hour a day is sacred. And then we also do two evenings a week. So I have a Monday and a Wednesday, which is when I can do whatever I want. So I can go out with friends, I can read a book, I can do some more book work if I want to. And then he has Tuesdays and Thursdays to do whatever he wants. And then I look after the baby. Which is great. Because now that we're putting her to bed at eight o'clock, I've still got like two hours before I go to sleep. And I'm like, yay. But yeah, so I basically, I'm more of a little and often kind of person. So I can't sit for like five hours and do like 10,000 words, people who do that amazed me. I'm more of a I'm gonna aim for 500 words. And if I write 1000 Word Perfect.

Laura Juntunen:

That's so cool that you had that that structure set up with your husband and I listened to your podcast, the author accountability podcast, for those of you listening. And I remember listening to episodes where you and your co host we're talking about like, how are you going to prepare after the baby comes. And it's so cool to see how that has evolved and how you set up a structure to make sure that your writing is still a part of you, which is super cool. Because some people when they have kids, they kind of forget about their other hobbies and things. So I just think it's really cool and empowering to see you do that. So props to you. Really excited.

R.S. Williams:

Yeah, one of the one of the non negotiables that I spoke about with my husband, when we thought about having children, I was just like, I'm not giving up writing. I don't care what happens. I need my writing time.

Laura Juntunen:

Exactly. Yeah, it'll keep you sane. So then you can take care of your family too. Oh, so great. Okay, and I actually meant to ask this earlier. So we're actually going to round back to it. chapter titles. So some books, I've read have chapter titles, some books, don't I don't do chapter titles, because they're so difficult. And you have a chapter title for every single chapter in your book. How and why?

R.S. Williams:

I don't know, I don't know. Honestly, it was probably one of the worst decisions I've ever made. Some chapters in chapter in Book Three, where I'm like, I've got no idea what to call this chapter. So I think I still got three left a title, and I'm just like, I've run out of words. I don't know what to call them. But it's fun. Like I I've suppose I got inspired by the idea because of books like Harry Potter, and things like that. And they all have chapter titles. And I was like, Oh, this is kind of like a fun idea. And I did book one. And I was like, Yes, this is amazing. And then I did Book Two, and I was that there's a couple of gaps, but we'll be fine. And then I did book three. And I was like, This is the worst decision I've made in my life.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, well. Now I know for the future. I won't even try because it sounds like I've, I've thought about it. And I don't find many books with chapter titles, at least for this podcast. I mean, I've had a few. But this one, I don't know why I think just because I, I would intentionally read the chapter title and think about like, Okay, how is this going to tie into the book as I was reading your book, and I don't think I was as intentional while I was reading other books when I was looking at the titles. So that's why it popped up in my head. But yeah, again, props to you. Because that's tough to summarize a chapter without giving stuff away completely about what's going to happen.

R.S. Williams:

Yeah, yeah. So I've, I've written a couple of standalones where they don't have chapter titles, and the novellas for my next series don't have chapter titles, but somehow the six chapters that I've written for book one of my next areas, have chapter titles, but I've just kind of I kind of said to myself, if I don't get them all done, they're all being removed.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah, there you go. There you go. Yeah, less stress. Yeah, stress. And let's talk about your upcoming projects. Because you, like I said, you're consistent writer, you're writing all the time. And you also are working on multiple projects at a time, which blows my mind. So, tell us about that.

R.S. Williams:

Yes, I do like to put myself in a proverbial hell. I don't know, again, I don't know why I do it to myself, I think I just like to be busy. And I like my procrastination to be busy. So if I'm supposed to be working on Project A, and I want to procrastinate, I tend to procrastinate on Project B. So that means I'm still productive. But I'm also not doing what I should be doing. Out. Yeah. So yeah, we had the anthology release on the 20th of April, which is a short story of a character that we got from a name generator, and I got Ella shadow bought countless of the great stones. So she turned into a pirate captain who was also a storm witch, and they go on a little quest for Poseidon his treasure, which is exciting. I'm in a second Anthology for that series, but I'm doing a different character. So I'm currently in the process of writing the short story for that. While I was writing, while I am writing book, one of my next series, I got another idea for a novella. So I've decided to add that tomorrow. And then I saw another opening for another anthology, which was putting like a freebie out so that people can get to know you and, and all of that. And it was by like a well known indie author. Ja Culkin, I think that's how you say her name. But she sells loads of books, she runs her own publishing house, she publishes other people's books, and I was like, this would be a great opportunity for me. Let's see if I can write a brand new story for it in two months. Oh, yeah. I did write the story. It has not been published in the anthology, I decided to publish one that only needed editing because it was a lot quicker to add. So that I think is coming out sometime this month in May. And then. Yeah, I'm also plotting some more stories. So I'm, at the moment, I'm plotting a standalone and a duology. And, yeah, I think that's all I'm working on. I'm probably working on. So there's probably something else.

Laura Juntunen:

Yeah. And so the Kane series, there will be three books in this series. And then you have all these other little projects? Is one of those projects, the one that you're writing for your Patreon? Did you mentioned that one? Yes. Maybe? Yes. Okay. So yeah, you have that. Is that Patreon book going to be exclusive only? Or are you going to publish it later on, because you're kind of working on that ongoing right

R.S. Williams:

Now, that is exclusive only. So the only way that you would get access to that is if you are a Patreon.

Laura Juntunen:

All right, little plug there, go to rands, Patreon, get this book. I love it. Oh, you have so many projects happening. And it's just so inspiring, because I'm like writing one book. And I've been writing it for a long time. And so it's just motivating to see that you can work on multiple and I think maybe I will try and write multiple at the same time because I like your idea of procrastinating one story with another because then you're still working on something.

R.S. Williams:

So yeah, like yesterday, I was like, Oh, I'm gonna plot this story. And I ended up creating a map and the world instead. But I was like, You know what, I still did something for the world.

Laura Juntunen:

There you go doing world building. And that's huge. Because if you don't have the world to build upon. Oh, too funny. All right. Well, we have talked about so much. Oh, my goodness, this episode is like, packed with little goodies. I'm so excited for everyone to hear it. But before we go, is there any other little plugs or anything you want to say? Talk about in general? Um,

R.S. Williams:

I mean, everyone got a copy of the anthology, because you get 20 stories from 20 authors, and all the proceeds go to charity.

Laura Juntunen:

And that's called Once upon a name. That's a beautiful cover, too. I love the cover that.

R.S. Williams:

Yeah, I think we'll be really revealing the second cover soon, as well, because we've already set a release date for the second ontology.

Laura Juntunen:

People are involved in that one.

R.S. Williams:

Um, I remember, I think we're still at around 20. It might be it might be a couple more now. But yeah, so again, we just went on the Name Generator picture name of a character. Some people are writing continuations from the characters from the first one. Some people are writing brand new characters. And that one will be called twice upon a name.

Laura Juntunen:

Oh, how can you and then you'll have to thrice upon a name when you do the third one, right?

R.S. Williams:

Yes, yes. Yes.

Laura Juntunen:

I love it. Oh, spoiler. Oh, well, this is really with Miss Guinea wouldn't be read it with you without talking a little bit about whiskey. So Rianne What is your favorite whiskey to drink?

R.S. Williams:

Well, I'm not much of a drinker. But if I don't particularly like whiskey, my dad absolutely loves it. I'm partial to a bit of Southern Comfort and lemonade.

Laura Juntunen:

Hmm. Oh, that sounds good right now. Like it's getting warmer here in the States and like that. It's summertime drink. I love it. All right, well, where can people find you? Where can they find your books and follow along with your journey.

R.S. Williams:

So the best place to find me is Instagram. I'm also on top tick tock tick tick tock. And both of my handles over there. Author Robin Williams. I'm also on Patreon again, author Robin Williams. And you can find all of my books in Kindle Unlimited.

Laura Juntunen:

Awesome Ah, so exciting. This is such a fun interview. Thank you so much for being on the show.

R.S. Williams:

Thank you so much for having me. I had fun as well.